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hello and welcome to episode number 83

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always I am your host EXO academian

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within the vast historical literature

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associated with the UFO phenomenon there

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are references to numerous kinds of

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craft cited and numerous kinds of

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entities encountered

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interestingly even within a subset of a

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certain group of entities distinct

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patterns sometimes emerge suggesting

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specific Enterprises have been

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undertaken at various points in history

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by these various groups

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one such unique pattern took place

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between sometime in the late 20th

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century stretching up until around the

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turn of the millennium

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this specific Endeavor was concentrated

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around what have come to be known as

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abductions in other words The Specific

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Enterprise involved not just sightings

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but people being abruptly physically

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taken from their homes to some other

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place whether this be an apparent

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spacecraft or some alternate realm where

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specific actions were undertaken

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involving both physical examinations and

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what can only be described as activities

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pertaining to a large-scale reproductive

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program

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involving at minimum Untold thousands of

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human beings some men and women having

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reproductive material taken from them

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eggs from women and sperm from men as

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part of a scheme to produce what have

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come to be known as hybrid beings

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entities part conventionally human and

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part something else the question around

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the nature of this something else is a

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matter of some debate one that we'll be

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delving into in this episode

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once the initial extraction of a

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reproductive material had taken place

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many abductees slash contact d slash

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experiencers pick your designation of

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choice and those involved have

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differences of opinion on what they

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prefer to be called were later shown

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what for all intents and purposes

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appeared to be their very own hybrid

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offspring sometimes these others most

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often colloquially referred to as aliens

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would ask these human abductees to

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interact with said Offspring to fulfill

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some form of Developmental bonding

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said abduct T slash contactees often

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mentioned feeling both a deep connection

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to these apparently hybrid children

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while also sometimes feeling a sense of

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revulsion arising from their atypical

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form

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as I mentioned this specific

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hybridization Enterprise seemed to phase

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out around the turn of the millennium

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at this point many of these adductee

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slash contact d slash experiencers were

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telepathically told that they wouldn't

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be seeing the apparent aliens nearly as

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much anymore indicating the Enterprise

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had been successful enough that a page

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was now being turned

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of course the specificity of this entire

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Enterprise raises many intriguing

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questions what was the ultimate purpose

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of this hybridization program what role

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if any do these apparently hybrid

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Offspring play in the future of human

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civilization and in what way might this

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Enterprise serve as a kind of fail-save

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against the potential of a coming Earth

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cataclysm that experiencers of this type

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were warned was bound to be Our

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civilization's Fate should we fail to

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turn from our misguided airing waves

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these are the profound but mind-bending

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issues we'll seek to find some clarity

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around in this the 83rd episode of the

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as I mentioned in the introduction today

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we're going to be talking about alien

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abduction at least that's what it's

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colloquially referred to

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much of the cases we'll be drawing from

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today are from Dr Johnny Mack's

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groundbreaking book abduction human

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encounters with aliens

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as I also mentioned in the introduction

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here we're referring to what seems to be

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a specific reproductive program a

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hybridization program that was

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undertaken by some sort of apparently

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alien group from the late 20th century

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up until around the turn of the

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millennium

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which is to say it's not that abductions

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in the broadest sense don't still happen

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but this particular program did seem to

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have a specific lifespan that Drew to a

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close sometime around the turn of the

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millennium again as I said in the

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introduction many of the abductee slash

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contact these slash experiencers

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actually experience telepathic messages

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around that time at the turn of the

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Millennium saying that they would not be

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seeing these others so much anymore and

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the implication was that this program

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had been successful and that now it was

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drawing to a close although there was

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hints perhaps that they would hear from

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them more later and I would suggest that

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even some of those people have

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experienced more telepathic messages

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especially more recently which might be

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important significant pertinent to what

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we're talking about these days in terms

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of the possibility of a coming cataclysm

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some final chapter in human history or

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at least the potential of it and if

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nothing else the Turning of a

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significant page in human history

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now before we dive into cases from this

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book we should just paint the picture

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historically here this book came out in

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1994. again the book is abduction human

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encounters with aliens by Dr John E Mack

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now what's interesting is that of course

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that was a very different time than now

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we sometimes forget how different things

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are now as opposed to then now we're

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hearing about UFOs UAP and sightings and

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whatnot almost daily even in some of the

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mainstream media

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and the notion is that perhaps

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disclosure is not that far ahead that we

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really are seeing moves in that

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direction

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but looking back to the 1990s that was

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not the case pretty much at that point

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UFOs were still considered Fringe it was

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X-Files episodes kind of enthusiasts and

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that kind of thing and certainly the

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notion of alien abduction actually being

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taken by alien beings up into spacecraft

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and then having bizarre sometimes

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seemingly ritualistic hybridization

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reproductive experiments taking place

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was certainly not a mainstream notion

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and so when people began to have these

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encounters you can imagine how shocking

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it was to them not just because of The

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Uncanny nature of the experiences but

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because there really was no precedent in

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human history

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and because of that of course many of

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these people had nowhere to turn when

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they tried to explain what was happening

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to family members they were often

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rejected and there was questioning about

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their mental health of course because

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this again was not on the radar for the

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vast vast majority of our population and

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so these people while they tried to find

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different ways of dealing with this by

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going to different

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authorities and whatnot it just wasn't

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something they could find they couldn't

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find authorities that were willing to

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talk about this who had any familiarity

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with this

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even official or semi-official groups

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like mufon didn't really deal with this

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back then this was all brand new in our

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cultural Zeitgeist altogether

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and I just want to make that point to

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remind us all just how discombobulating

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terrifying shocking these events were

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again not just because of the nature of

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the events which were shocking in

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themselves but because there was nowhere

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to turn this was not part of our

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cultural milieu at all so again these

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people felt very alone and that's where

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someone like John Mack came in because

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again he actually listened to these

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people and while he was a skeptic of

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this entire notion to begin with

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because of his years of experience in

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research and as a psychotherapist it

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became clear to him these people were

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rational they were coherent they were

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not suffering from any kind of

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Psychopathology they seemed to be

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recounting actual experiences and

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certainly their body language and even

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their body output in terms of PTSD

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post-traumatic stress symptoms seemed to

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speak to the veracity of these claims

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something really did happen even if it

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stretches our understanding of what is

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real that's what he concluded and he

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proceeded with that notion in mind

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I'd also like to remind us here that

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while times have changed and the Notions

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of UFOs UAP in our midst is much more of

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a mainstream conversation now and the

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government certainly seems to be not

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only taking it seriously which they

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always did but what's different now is

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they're taking it seriously and they're

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acknowledging there is a there there

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even if it's only kind of a coded kind

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of message at this point but the general

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public is slowly being acclimatized to

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this notion that there are anomalous

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objects or phenomena in our skies and

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elsewhere hence we have Arrow which is

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tasked to get to the bottom of what

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these objects are what these phenomena

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are that seem to be with impunity coming

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over U.S airspace and whatnot

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but again all of the focus there is on

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the objects on the phenomena in the sky

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right not on what's actually happening

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to people we are not yet publicly

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dealing with the messages experiencers

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have received the encounters that

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experiencers have been through so in

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that sense things haven't changed all

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that much and I can tell you that

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experiencers still feel often left out

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of the public conversation right now

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because they are not being listened to

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they're not being sought out for their

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testimony hopefully that will change

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soon

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okay let's address something else that I

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hinted at in the introduction the

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question of what do we call these others

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now on the one hand we often refer to

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them as aliens and even this book is

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subtitled human encounters with aliens

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I'll just remind you there that aliens

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doesn't necessarily mean space aliens as

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I mentioned recently on a liminal frames

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podcast episode I think it was I had a

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friend who had a band in high school

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called alien and the psycho and actually

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is a translation of a passage in the Old

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Testament where actually the alien there

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was a different human tribe right so

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that's interesting this term doesn't

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necessarily mean

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extraterrestrial and it even if it means

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extraterrestrial it doesn't mean that it

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might not have some sort of genetic link

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to us and I raised that because there is

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some evidence that these others these

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particular others at least some of them

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do have a link to us now some would

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suggest this means that they are us from

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the future perhaps time traveling

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neo-humans or as Michael Masters has

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coined extra tempestrials

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so when some people say non-human

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intelligence and land on that as a new

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term

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I sometimes am more comfortable with a

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term like non-conventional human

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intelligence because again we don't know

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that it's absolutely not human

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even again according to the lore of some

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of the Roswell crash material there are

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hints that there was a genetic link

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between us and them in terms of the

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bodies that were recovered from this

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scene which again raises questions

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around what does alien mean here how

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could there be this link

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furthermore we sometimes refer to them

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as visitors but the thing is they may

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have been here as long as we have

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perhaps even longer

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and in that sense they're not really

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visitors although I guess you could

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argue that they are visitors to our

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Consciousness in terms of our awareness

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of their presence but nevertheless you

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see what the challenge is in terms of

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how to refer to them that's why I often

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opt for the others just because they are

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in some way not exactly us even if

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they're somehow linked to us and so that

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feels like a term that is the best fit

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often but not always and again it just

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points to the fact that because we're

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still trying to figure out exactly who

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they are who we are for that matter and

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how we may be linked we're going to have

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challenges knowing exactly how to refer

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to them and perhaps there is no perfect

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term

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all right so here we're speaking about

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alien abduction now this is a notion

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rooted in popular culture because there

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actually are stories now accounts that

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have come out and most people are now at

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least aware of the elements of these

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reports

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and they include the following elements

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number one missing time abductees often

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report periods of time during which they

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cannot account for their whereabouts or

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activities two presence of aliens

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abductees frequently report being taken

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aboard a spacecraft and encountering

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non-human entities which are often

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described as gray-skinned large-eyed and

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hairless beings

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number three medical examinations many

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abductees report undergoing medical

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procedures including the insertion of

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implants or The Taking of tissue samples

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number four telepathic communication

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abductees often report receiving

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information or instructions from the

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aliens telepathically that is

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mind-to-mind contact and communication

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number five paralysis abductees

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frequently describe being unable to move

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during the experience number six fear

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and anxiety the experience of alien

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abduction is often described as

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terrifying with abductees reporting

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feelings of fear anxiety and

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helplessness

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now regarding this last piece a key

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distinction to make here is that these

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particular kinds of encounters are

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particularly shocking more so than

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sightings in the sky even when those

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involve telepathic downloads because

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these specific abduction encounters

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involve coming into close contact with

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beings of a decidedly non-conventional

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nature their form their shape their

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presence is shocking in itself

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and also because the encounters are

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number one abrupt one moment you're

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alone in the next moment these beings

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are there with you in close quarters

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often after passing through solid walls

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no less

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and number two because these encounters

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are physical in nature meaning they

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manifest as solidly to their as anything

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or anyone else in our waking State

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consensus reality these are not dreams

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Visions or examples of hypnagogia as

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Skeptics try to insist

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now regarding the recounting of

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experiences with apparent aliens in

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apparently abduction experiences much of

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this material arises from hypnotic

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regression that is to say a therapist

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puts a person under hypnosis and then

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with the aid of that hypnotic regression

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they were able to recover more material

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than they necessarily remembered

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consciously but we should make the point

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here that many of these people do have

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conscious memories and it's the

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conscious memories that led them to the

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therapist to begin with if they had no

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memories of this they wouldn't have

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sought out someone like John Mack in

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this book abduction to begin with these

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people were not suffering from any kind

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of malady otherwise it was the nature of

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these experiences which they consciously

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remembered that made them seek out some

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sort of assistance to make sense of what

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was going on again because it did seem

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to stretch the Notions of our consensus

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reality our model of reality altogether

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so I want to make that point these

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people sought out a therapist like John

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Mack because they consciously remembered

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having experiences that were uncanny in

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nature and in this case the therapy

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helped them uncover more memories to

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bring more clarity to them

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now I want to make this clear while

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hypnosis done poorly can lead to false

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memories it's also my perspective that

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regression done properly according to

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strict protocols can be helpful for

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people seeking to gain more clarity on

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their encounters when they already have

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conscious memory of an encounter that's

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key

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now speaking of hypnotic regression as a

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tool Kathleen Martin has recently

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weighed in on this matter now who is she

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she is a well-known UFO Abduction

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researcher author and lecturer with 23

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years of experience in the field this is

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what she said recently in an article

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addressing hypnotic regression as a tool

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quote the use of hypnosis to recover

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lost memories of missing time during a

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purported UFO Abduction has engendered

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more controversy than nearly any other

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topic among UFO researchers and anti-ufo

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research Skeptics deniers and

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disinformants Scholars point out that

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although hypnosis facilitates the recall

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of accurate information we may

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unwittingly manufacture details that

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were not previously part of the

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historical narrative

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particularly when the hypnotist

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pressures the client for detailed

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information that is not available in

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their conscious memories some radical

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critics extrapolate that imperfect

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hypnosis is reason to dismiss its use

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entirely I disagree quote unquote

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now she goes on to say quote hypnosis

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should not be used by investigators to

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determine if an individual has been

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taken to a non-human environment and

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developed amnesia for the event we must

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rely on the witness's conscious recall

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and the physical and circumstantial

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evidence in support of the witnesses

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statements prior to hypnosis unquote

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so a couple key points there we should

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not be using hypnosis to try to see if

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there was an abduction event we should

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only use it as a tool to further refine

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statements that were already made based

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on conscious recall

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secondly she pointed to the fact that

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Scholars do consider this a valid means

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most of the time it's just when it's

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used improperly that problems arise

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now speaking of that what exactly is

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hypnosis why does this work this is how

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she defines it quote some researchers

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claim that no one knows what hypnosis is

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however a psychiatrist David Spiegel

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medical director of the center for

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integrative medicine at the Stanford

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University School of Medicine informs us

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that hypnosis involves disassociation in

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a structured setting whereby one idea is

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brought into Focus while the field of

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vision is narrowed all other competing

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thoughts are omitted and one's attention

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is concentrated in a hyper memory in

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other words we enter into a state of

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intense concentration that permits us to

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filter out distractions and to focus our

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attention on a certain past event this

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leads to better recall of information

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than our conscious memory can elicit

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unquote so that's key it's about zeroing

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in on a memory not adding details to the

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memory and again that is only a risk

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when it is done poorly when the hypnotic

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regression is done poorly or when you

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have a therapist actually trying to ask

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leading questions that can take the

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memory in a different direction and

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actually produce false memories as a

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result but again done properly this is

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about creating a disassociation in a

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structured setting so as to zero in on

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an actual memory

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all right now let's get to more of the

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specifics of the nature of these

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encounters the nature of these so-called

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abduction encounters

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now again we already dealt with the fact

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that these are very abrupt and shocking

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ontologically shocking which by the way

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is a term that Mac actually coined has

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to do with the fact that these beings

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are present and apparently our physical

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reality people can feel them when they

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touch them when they press against you

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you can feel it you can see evidence

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that they're moving around your room

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when they suddenly appear there by

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passing through a wall or something like

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that so first of all you have to deal

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with the ontological shock of these

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beings that should not exist suddenly

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being there and apparently manifesting

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just as real as anything else the wall

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they came through or perhaps the person

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sleeping in the room next to you they're

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just as real as that

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but in addition you are then quickly

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taken to a different environment

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altogether now sometimes this

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environment seems to be in an alternate

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kind of Dimension or alternate realm

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alternate State of Consciousness we

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don't really have a great way to think

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about these things because this

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particular construct that people are

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taken to report being taken to seems to

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be not exactly aligned with our

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space-time construct as we usually

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experience it now again our model

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doesn't know what to do with this yet

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and so we quickly try to drop it into

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something like a dream or a vision or

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some example of hypnagogia like I said

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before which is the state between a

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waking State and a sleep state

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but again this seems to be really

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happening but it also stretches our

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understanding of what can really happen

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now what's also interesting is even

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though these are ontologically shocking

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experiences and sometimes these others

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don't have what you might call a great

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bedside manner they're not very

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communicative in terms of emotional

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awareness in terms of helping people

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feel comfortable immediately although

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many experiences will tell you they do

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have an emotional component it just

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manifests differently than ours does

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which again shouldn't be surprising

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because if they've evolved to be mostly

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telepathic in nature then their

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communication happens completely mind to

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mind you don't need to have gestures and

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facial expressions like we do even tone

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of voice because all that can be

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communicated telepathically and in

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addition to that they may just be more

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emotionally muted have a narrower range

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of emotion than we do now does that

561
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,440
automatically excuse sometimes the

562
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:36,960
abrupt nature of these encounters does

563
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,700
it excuse the fact that people are not

564
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,799
dealt with in as warm a manner as we

565
00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:42,840
might want to see from apparently

566
00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:45,000
Advanced sophisticated beings that these

567
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:46,760
seem to be for all intents and purposes

568
00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:49,799
no there is a question there but again

569
00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:51,780
it's not that they're not emotional they

570
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:53,700
just have a narrower range of emotion in

571
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:55,860
terms of expression and perhaps because

572
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,480
they are different than us either

573
00:22:02,029 --> 00:21:59,280
because they've evolved to be that way

574
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:02,039
if they're us from the future perhaps or

575
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:03,659
just because they are different than us

576
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:05,940
altogether they don't necessarily

577
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:08,220
understand perhaps what this puts us

578
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,620
through how shocking this is for the

579
00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:12,840
human system that has evolved to be

580
00:22:16,909 --> 00:22:14,460
aware of certain kinds of possibilities

581
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:16,919
and a possibility like this makes us go

582
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:18,900
into fight or flight because of our

583
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:20,820
evolutionary impulse

584
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,740
they may not be aware of that they may

585
00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:24,360
not be accounting for that which again

586
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:26,220
is not to entirely excuse the entire

587
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,260
thing but just to say there may be ways

588
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:30,720
to make sense of this that suggests it's

589
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:33,240
not necessarily cruel Behavior

590
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:35,100
and the reason why I've also raised that

591
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:36,780
possibility is because there's this

592
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,720
uncanny dual aspect to these encounters

593
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:41,520
because on the one hand they can be

594
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,620
quite ontologically shocking in fact

595
00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:46,080
almost 100 of the time they are at least

596
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:49,559
initially but these experiencers also

597
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,299
report that these experiences end up

598
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:54,000
being spiritually transformative much of

599
00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:55,140
the time

600
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:57,000
they even come to see these beings

601
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:59,460
sometimes as intermediaries between us

602
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:02,220
and God or Source if you will the source

603
00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:05,580
of the universe indeed furthermore these

604
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:07,740
experiencers often report that this

605
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,539
realm they're in with these others feels

606
00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:12,000
more real than this one does which is

607
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,580
confusing to us again because we have no

608
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,559
contrast we have nothing to compare this

609
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,240
to those of us who have not had this

610
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:20,700
particular experience and again when we

611
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,220
hear alternate realm alternate State of

612
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:25,679
Consciousness that to many people in the

613
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,659
general public will feel less real

614
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:30,720
something other than reality and yet

615
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,220
what's interesting is the experience

616
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,840
that visceral experience is that that

617
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:36,480
actually feels more real than real that

618
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:38,940
is to say more real than this

619
00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:41,220
but this is a key part we cannot get

620
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:43,559
past again the vast majority of people

621
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:45,419
especially when given enough time to

622
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:47,340
reflect on their experiences and to

623
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:50,460
overcome the initial ontological shock a

624
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:52,140
vast majority come to see these

625
00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:55,140
experiences as interpreted as positive

626
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:56,580
because again we always have

627
00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:58,440
interpretation being part of the

628
00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:00,419
experience here you have an initial

629
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:01,980
experience and then you interpret it

630
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:04,919
based on your models of reality your

631
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:07,260
expectations and your interactions with

632
00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:10,380
human beings over time and that will of

633
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:11,700
course reflect on how you think about

634
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:13,860
these experiences but when people are

635
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:17,100
especially given time to reflect they

636
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:18,900
often come to see these as spiritually

637
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,539
transformative and ultimately positive

638
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,520
and again as we've discussed on other

639
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:26,400
episodes this often results in an actual

640
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:29,580
worldview change where people are quite

641
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,380
different than they used to be prior to

642
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:33,840
the event and they don't walk around in

643
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:36,780
fear and turmoil most of them don't most

644
00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:38,100
of them actually are changed in a

645
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,140
positive way but we would consider a

646
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:42,179
positive way according to measurements

647
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:44,700
like they become less materialistic they

648
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:46,020
become more concerned about the

649
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,539
environment and animals they become more

650
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:50,760
concerned about their neighbors and more

651
00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:53,580
ready to change their behavior even

652
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:55,620
change their lifestyle or their career

653
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:57,960
sometimes to reflect the change in

654
00:25:01,730 --> 00:25:00,360
perspective they've undergone because of

655
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:01,740
these experiences

656
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:03,960
which again flies in the face of what we

657
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:05,340
think about initially when we think

658
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:07,799
about abduction because again there's a

659
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,659
lot of negative hype with that

660
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,520
especially considering the way that

661
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:13,320
Hollywood and whatnot has often

662
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:15,780
portrayed these events they often hype

663
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:19,380
up the fear the shock the turmoil and

664
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,179
often this is because this is what sells

665
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:23,400
tickets unfortunately based on the

666
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:24,840
current center of gravity of our

667
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,419
Consciousness on this planet

668
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:29,640
I also want to make the point that this

669
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:32,039
spiritual transformation this change in

670
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,260
world view is not an unintended

671
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,020
byproduct of these experiences to the

672
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,480
contrary these beings whatever they are

673
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:41,460
whether they're us from the future or an

674
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:45,120
alternate version of us or a alien being

675
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:47,640
altogether they go out of their way to

676
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,380
make it very clear to the human beings

677
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:51,480
they're communicating with that human

678
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:54,419
civilization is on a crash course that

679
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:55,799
if we do not change our current

680
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,159
trajectory bad things await us and not

681
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,960
because of some sort of punishment doled

682
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,880
out by some sort of God or some higher

683
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:05,279
intelligent being but because this is

684
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:07,620
just what happens when you embark on a

685
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,140
trajectory that is doomed to failure

686
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,000
when you are part of a system that is

687
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:13,919
unsustainable and that's what they see

688
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,720
when they see not just our Consciousness

689
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:18,120
based so much on fear and greed and

690
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:20,279
negative elements like that but also

691
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,779
what we're doing to the environment how

692
00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:24,720
we're basically killing the planet that

693
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:27,419
we exist upon they see that they see

694
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,640
that it's not going well and again if

695
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,380
they are us from the future or even

696
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,880
beings that seem to be able to move

697
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,320
through time and they certainly seem to

698
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:36,419
demonstrate that then we should take

699
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:38,039
this very seriously I would suggest

700
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:40,620
because this is not just idle banter

701
00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:43,320
they are perhaps relying on what they

702
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,059
know will happen according to our

703
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,039
current trajectory and so they go out of

704
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,080
their way to impress upon human beings

705
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,659
that they interact with you must wake up

706
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,520
and not just you but your Collective

707
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,919
civilization must wake up you must

708
00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:58,080
change course or something really

709
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:00,179
negative awaits you something like a

710
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,279
cataclysm and again as I've said before

711
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:04,200
on recent podcasts that might not be

712
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:06,900
just some random Cosmic event what seems

713
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:08,279
to be suggested here is that it's

714
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:11,159
actually something of our own making

715
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:12,900
so this is something we really need to

716
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:14,940
take to heart this is Central to these

717
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,020
encounters

718
00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:17,760
and here I would also add that while

719
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:19,559
these particular kinds of abductions as

720
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:21,779
part of this reproduction program seem

721
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:24,900
to have come to a close experiencers are

722
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,059
still having telepathic downloads with

723
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:29,279
these beings and other beings and are

724
00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:31,640
being impressed upon again about the

725
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,380
Doomsday coming for us if we don't

726
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:36,000
change course so this is not something

727
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,279
that ended around the turn of Millennium

728
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,500
these messages are still very much front

729
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,960
and center and indeed you could suggest

730
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:45,000
they're actually increasing both in

731
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:46,679
terms of number and in terms of

732
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,380
amplitude in terms of the urgency that

733
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,640
is passed on

734
00:27:54,610 --> 00:27:52,799
now again as I already mentioned many of

735
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:54,620
the experiencers of this particular

736
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:58,440
historical reproductive program say it's

737
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:59,880
not just that the experience was

738
00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:01,500
ontologically shocking even though it

739
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,539
was and then sometimes traumatizing very

740
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:05,700
often the case they often come to

741
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,620
believe that it actually is part of some

742
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,440
move towards a greater good and to the

743
00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:12,480
end I want to quote from the book here

744
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,179
quote Jerry does not feel that they want

745
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,880
to cause me fear and pain and Agony and

746
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:19,679
deep down inside I think that what

747
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,260
they're doing is somehow necessary it

748
00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:25,200
has to do she said with races beings or

749
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:27,539
whatever coming together to make another

750
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,360
creation this was very important she

751
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:32,700
said and as a single person compared to

752
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,919
this big huge thing going on I should

753
00:28:39,529 --> 00:28:36,600
look Beyond Myself and know that it's

754
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,539
for the greater good unquote and then

755
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,240
later on this same abductee is quoted as

756
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,440
saying quote

757
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,840
at the end of this session Jerry said I

758
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:48,179
really do think that they do exist they

759
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,039
are real and they are interacting with

760
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:52,559
us obviously not in any form that we're

761
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:54,900
used to there's a reason they're doing

762
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,240
this she added she feels that they are

763
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,159
making whatever you want to label it

764
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:02,159
another whole civilization she does not

765
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,539
know whether they're going to take it

766
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,640
and place it somewhere else or it's

767
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,679
going to be introduced here

768
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,559
Jerry like many abductees has dreams of

769
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,539
the world as we know it coming to an end

770
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:14,820
and relates her breeding role to this

771
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:17,340
eventuality unquote

772
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,220
which again this speaks to the fact that

773
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:21,539
when these beings are being created

774
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,100
these hybrid beings it raises the

775
00:29:27,409 --> 00:29:25,799
question to what end some people believe

776
00:29:29,149 --> 00:29:27,419
that it's two populated different

777
00:29:30,889 --> 00:29:29,159
planets somewhere else

778
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:30,899
but for many of these experiencers

779
00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:33,480
there's this sense that one this could

780
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:35,640
be a Fail-Safe in case we wipe ourselves

781
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:36,899
out that they would have a way of

782
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:39,240
introducing some element of humanity

783
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:40,679
again even though we would be a

784
00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:42,059
different version of ourselves because

785
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:44,100
we would have the hybrid nature in terms

786
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,740
of the alien input as well a bit of half

787
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:48,360
and half in other words

788
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,460
or it could be that these hybrids will

789
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,559
actually help us in the future they will

790
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,720
be introduced to the planet so that we

791
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,940
can live in harmony together and perhaps

792
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,039
both benefit from each other there is

793
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:00,960
this kind of symbiotic relationship

794
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:04,140
often referred to or at least implied

795
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:06,179
but at the same time before we can get

796
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:07,799
to this point in history where we could

797
00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:10,200
perhaps live side by side they know that

798
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:12,179
we have to overcome some of our fear

799
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:14,039
some of our fight-or-flight mechanism

800
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:16,020
that's deeply part of the lizard brain

801
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:18,659
that is part of our history one of the

802
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:20,940
adjectives Scott talks about this when

803
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,460
he talks about his human side first

804
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,860
dealing with what these others represent

805
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:27,960
and just how different they are and how

806
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,820
he recognizes that his initial response

807
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:31,980
is not necessarily reasonable

808
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,760
quote Scott grasped then why he had

809
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,200
never wanted to look directly at the

810
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:40,020
beings with some struggle he said my

811
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:42,539
humanist doesn't want to see this what

812
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,720
is this I asked them The Human Side he

813
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,000
continued cannot handle the other side

814
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:50,760
the human being in him reacts with fear

815
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,460
like an animal they appear to be animals

816
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,440
and you act like a scared animal it's

817
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:57,960
instant nevertheless he emphasized

818
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,059
humans must stop and realize that the

819
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:02,399
aliens whom is a child he called the

820
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:04,440
inkies because of their large black eyes

821
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,860
like ourselves are alive we need to

822
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:09,539
learn that even though we look different

823
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:11,880
and we think different we're all life

824
00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:13,559
unquote

825
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,539
now you notice there that he said the

826
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,580
human part which implies there being

827
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,399
another part and indeed this is also a

828
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:22,919
very interesting intriguing part of the

829
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:24,059
narrative when it comes to the

830
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,799
historical literature to do with

831
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:28,559
abductees many of them come to believe

832
00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:31,559
realize that they actually have a hybrid

833
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,179
nature themselves that they have a

834
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:35,520
different kind of persona sometimes a

835
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,840
different history from a different

836
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:39,720
lifetime even as a part of one of them

837
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:42,059
quote unquote one of these others they

838
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:44,100
even have memories sometimes of

839
00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:46,620
experiencing life as one of them and can

840
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,539
even experience how they

841
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:51,840
relate to life differently this is what

842
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:53,700
he says at one point about what perhaps

843
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,520
happened to them that made them so wary

844
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,760
of the course that we are on quote at

845
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,500
this point in the session Scott shifted

846
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,720
to perceiving from the alien perspective

847
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,000
and he saw the Earth as a blue body

848
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,760
below him he had chosen to come here

849
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,279
from another planet because it was quote

850
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:14,100
closest to where we're from unquote he

851
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:15,960
did not know the name of that planet but

852
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,419
it was yellow mostly desert and lacking

853
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,700
water once there had been trees and

854
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:22,799
water but something having to do with

855
00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:25,919
science he does not know just what went

856
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:28,220
wrong and his people went underground

857
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,260
Scott felt sick inside and sobbed as he

858
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:33,679
told of how science destroyed our planet

859
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:36,059
naturally I was curious to know if Scott

860
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:38,220
had any other further information about

861
00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:40,620
how this had come about but he did not

862
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,080
except to observe that somehow the alien

863
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:45,600
species knew before the destruction

864
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,220
occurred but seems to have been

865
00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:49,380
powerless to prevent it after the

866
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:51,059
regression he recalled that the

867
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,919
destruction had occurred because of

868
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,840
something they made they couldn't stop

869
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:57,240
and that on their Planet the aliens live

870
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:00,840
in an artificial environment unquote

871
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:02,700
so again this is very interesting you

872
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:04,020
could look at this different ways you

873
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:05,399
could say this is actually a different

874
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:06,899
planet and these really are

875
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,940
extraterrestrial beings in the purest

876
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:11,279
sense of that term or you could perhaps

877
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:13,260
even suggest that they are us from the

878
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,720
future in an alternate Earth or the

879
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,700
Earth in a different timeline or just a

880
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:19,320
future Earth and that what they're

881
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:21,059
referring to is actually then

882
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:23,100
experiencing the consequences of our

883
00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:24,779
actions to some degree and that again

884
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:27,299
would speak to why they're so pressing

885
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:29,940
about this coming cataclysm this problem

886
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:32,340
that we do face if we don't change the

887
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:34,740
course of our current trajectory

888
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,140
now speaking to this possibility that

889
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,240
they could be us from the future or at

890
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:41,519
least related to us in some way there

891
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:43,260
are actually times that abductees that

892
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,059
are part of these regressions that Dr

893
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,580
John Mack is conducting actually refer

894
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,620
to this notion of the future being

895
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,600
referenced in their contact with these

896
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,559
beings

897
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,659
quitting again from the book here quote

898
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:56,580
in the months prior to our first

899
00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:00,480
hypnosis session on August 11 1992 Jerry

900
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,360
continued to have abduction experiences

901
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,860
including one episode just three weeks

902
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,080
before in which she consciously recalled

903
00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:09,899
seeing a UFO close up and being taken by

904
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,139
humanoid beings whose attitude she felt

905
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:15,480
was loving and benevolent into the ship

906
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,060
there she saw shelves with instruments

907
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:20,639
and vials was Seated on a chair or table

908
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,159
and had a complex dialogue with alien

909
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,619
she felt were quote beyond what we would

910
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:27,599
think is intelligent or even genius

911
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:29,940
unquote continuing with a quote here

912
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:32,760
quote one of them explained that they

913
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,460
came from so far into the future that

914
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:37,280
she would not be able to comprehend

915
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:39,960
Jerry remembers saying to herself this

916
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:41,879
is great I can see everything and I am

917
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,179
so aware in her journal she concluded I

918
00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:47,099
was convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt

919
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,899
that what I was experiencing was real

920
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:50,879
they looked at me with their loving and

921
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:54,000
all-knowing smile and simply said yes I

922
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:56,339
then said well if this is real then I am

923
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:58,619
somehow living a double life I had a

924
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,300
feeling there was a definite reason that

925
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:02,460
I and others like me were not aware of

926
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:04,920
this other reality at least not as aware

927
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:06,839
as we are about this reality we have

928
00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:10,140
here and now unquote again this speaks

929
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:12,300
to the Dual nature that some of these

930
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,820
abductees end up experiencing after

931
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,560
being in contact with these others where

932
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:18,240
they themselves even feel like they have

933
00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:20,460
another capacity within them another

934
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:23,099
Persona that comes online sometimes at

935
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,020
least fully online when they're in the

936
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:27,119
presence of these others

937
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,180
now as many people realize part of these

938
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,119
abduction accounts also involve human

939
00:35:37,849 --> 00:35:35,640
beings being shown apocalyptic images of

940
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,859
the earth cataclysmic images where the

941
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,320
Earth seems to be in great distress and

942
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:42,660
often the implication is because of the

943
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,300
actions of humanity that our actions

944
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:47,280
create this kind of scenario in the

945
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,180
future

946
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:50,160
now at one point one of these abductees

947
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:52,920
actually asks about these theatrics as

948
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:54,780
she calls them why do they use these

949
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:57,000
theatrics to communicate with us because

950
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:58,500
sometimes it's not a literal thing

951
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,300
sometimes it's more of a symbolic thing

952
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:02,880
even if the end result really does mean

953
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:05,880
cataclysm disaster Etc

954
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,460
quoting from the book again quote she

955
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,079
asked the aliens why they needed to use

956
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,480
such theatrics to show her this and

957
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,820
their reply was to make you understand

958
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,760
to comprehend the implications to put

959
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:20,160
you in the right frame of mind and I'm

960
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,599
kind of like hey now we're getting

961
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:22,740
someplace

962
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,359
she also seemed to learn from this

963
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:26,880
episode that certain emotions like love

964
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:30,839
caring helpfulness compassion are the

965
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:33,720
key whereas others like anger hatred and

966
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:37,079
fear are not useful especially fear fear

967
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,000
is like the worst one they are trying to

968
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:41,460
get me to get over fear and that's why

969
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,320
they were trying to scare me so badly

970
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:45,359
because I would eventually get sick of

971
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:47,220
it and get over it and get on to the

972
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,619
more important things unquote

973
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:51,420
now again perhaps some people would

974
00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:53,160
question this bedside manner question if

975
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:55,079
this is the best way to do it but what

976
00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:56,520
she seems to gather from these

977
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:58,200
experiences is they're actually trying

978
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:00,599
to sort of shock her into a new level of

979
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,060
awareness and it is true even when we

980
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:04,800
look at some of the data around other

981
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:06,599
kinds of Transformations that lead to

982
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,760
World Views changing that have nothing

983
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:11,280
to do with the UFO phenomenon or aliens

984
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:14,520
as it were often it is trauma that puts

985
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:16,680
people into a frame of mind that allows

986
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,079
for this catapulting into an entirely

987
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,359
new way of seeing themselves and the

988
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:23,400
world around them so that seems to be

989
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,260
part and parcel of what's going on here

990
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,000
that some of this shock is actually

991
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,040
intended not just because it's a

992
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,960
unfortunate byproduct of what they're

993
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,400
doing as part of the hybridization

994
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:35,280
experiment but it's also meant to create

995
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,500
a new level of awareness a breakthrough

996
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:39,359
and even as Willie stribers talked about

997
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,160
the greatest possibility of

998
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:42,960
transformation in the history of

999
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,280
humankind

1000
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:46,800
now getting back to this notion of them

1001
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,380
somehow being us perhaps us from the

1002
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,599
future of some alternate version of us

1003
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,880
this is often referred to

1004
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,680
and there's also this sense that perhaps

1005
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:58,079
in their evolutionary trajectory they

1006
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,579
have taken a wrong turn that they're

1007
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:01,440
also trying to course correct and this

1008
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,200
is part of what's in AIM with this

1009
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,480
hybridization program it's not just to

1010
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:08,520
change some of our negative Tendencies

1011
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:10,380
but also perhaps to change some of

1012
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,540
theirs or to recover things they've lost

1013
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:13,920
along the way

1014
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,140
quoting again from the book quote

1015
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:18,480
I asked Peter how are loving or open

1016
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,660
qualities might serve the beings they

1017
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:24,180
are human too he suggested and in their

1018
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:26,280
own Evolution have followed the path of

1019
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:29,099
almost rational intellectualizing and

1020
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,380
lost much of their emotions and they

1021
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,599
want to get that back and it's through

1022
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:36,000
our planet and through our race they are

1023
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,000
humanoid Peter said and we evolved from

1024
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,520
the same place but we've stayed in our

1025
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:43,440
emotions and our emotions have ruled the

1026
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:46,260
planet how we react as a race comes from

1027
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:48,780
our emotions in their evolution they

1028
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,760
chose to react from intellect or from

1029
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:53,040
mentality they're willing to share their

1030
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,320
intellectual growth with us if we can

1031
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,780
share our emotions with them but at the

1032
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,160
same time they are afraid of the

1033
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,440
destructive part of our emotions it

1034
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:03,119
could be a beautiful marriage almost

1035
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:05,820
Peter observed unquote

1036
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,859
again this speaks to the possibilities

1037
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:09,720
of the intention behind this

1038
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:12,839
hybridization program one possibility is

1039
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:15,180
that it's to deal with the possibility

1040
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:16,859
that we might wipe ourselves out and

1041
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,660
they would have a way of repopulating

1042
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:20,280
the planet or repopulating a different

1043
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,740
planet with something that was basically

1044
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:25,440
human even if it was a hybrid human but

1045
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,940
there's also this possibility that even

1046
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,740
if we don't get to that point where we

1047
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:31,200
blow ourselves up that this could create

1048
00:39:34,849 --> 00:39:32,760
a possibility where there would be a new

1049
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:34,859
kind of hybrid being that would have the

1050
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,740
best of both races that seems to be very

1051
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:39,599
much at the center of this and we should

1052
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:41,339
consider both possibilities moving

1053
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:42,119
forward

1054
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:46,619
they have to offer us again what's

1055
00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:48,359
implied here and what many abductees

1056
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,720
speak to is that they have a vast and

1057
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:53,520
sophisticated understanding of reality

1058
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:56,220
that makes ours pale in comparison so

1059
00:40:00,650 --> 00:39:58,440
they have much to offer Us in terms of

1060
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:00,660
realizing much more about the nature of

1061
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:03,000
reality and speaking to this very Point

1062
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,220
John Mack is quoted as saying in this

1063
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,980
book quote quite a few abductees have

1064
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,599
spoken to me of their sense that at

1065
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,880
least some of their experiences are not

1066
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,800
occurring within the physical space-time

1067
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:15,780
dimensions of the universe as we

1068
00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:18,180
comprehend it they speak of aliens

1069
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:20,220
breaking through From Another Dimension

1070
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,980
through a slit or crack in some sort of

1071
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:25,440
barrier entering our world from Beyond

1072
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,200
the Veil abductees some of whom have

1073
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,000
little education to prepare them to

1074
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,579
explain about such abstractions or odd

1075
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:35,040
dislocations will speak of the collapse

1076
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:36,839
of space-time that occurs during their

1077
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:39,300
experiences they experience the aliens

1078
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:41,640
indeed their abductions themselves as

1079
00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:44,339
happening in another reality although

1080
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:46,579
one that is as powerfully actual to them

1081
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:50,099
as or more so than the familiar physical

1082
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:52,140
world unquote

1083
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:54,060
again this speaks to the fact that not

1084
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,940
that this happens outside of reality but

1085
00:41:01,790 --> 00:40:59,280
that our notion of reality is truncated

1086
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:01,800
limited that what they have to give us

1087
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,260
is a much broader expense in terms of

1088
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:06,720
our understanding and I would suggest to

1089
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,220
you that this greater understanding

1090
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,380
could help eclipse the current

1091
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:12,599
physicalist Paradigm in which we all

1092
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,520
seem to be trapped which is partly

1093
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:16,740
causing some of the problems we have as

1094
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:19,380
a civilization that seems unmoored from

1095
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,260
our underlying overarching spiritual

1096
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:24,960
connection to all that is indeed that's

1097
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:26,760
what many of these beings not just these

1098
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,920
ones but other ones the reported as

1099
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:31,140
being interactive with very often say

1100
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:32,940
that they feel sorry for Humanity

1101
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,400
because we have lost that sense of being

1102
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:37,500
Connected To Source and that's leading

1103
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,660
to part of the collective Insanity we're

1104
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:41,760
engaged in our current affairs which is

1105
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:43,260
leading to so many of our problems

1106
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:45,960
perhaps even I would suggest leading to

1107
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:48,180
this cataclysm that these others are

1108
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,560
warning us about

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00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:51,599
and to that point here's another quote

1110
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,839
from the book quote at the same time as

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I noted abductees become open to the

1112
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,060
presence of a Divine source which fills

1113
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:01,440
their being and gives a sense of

1114
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,240
connection with a universal

1115
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,280
Consciousness from which they have come

1116
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:07,380
and to which they will return

1117
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:09,900
past life experiences which extend the

1118
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,660
sense of self over time in both embodied

1119
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:15,240
and unembodied form create a further

1120
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,980
expansion of the feeling of what it is

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00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,720
to be a human being

1122
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,880
finally The Peculiar sense that many

1123
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:22,800
abductees gain during the regressions

1124
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,380
that they have a dual human alien

1125
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,839
identity reinforces all the above

1126
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,099
processes

1127
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:31,320
for the alien self is felt to be a kind

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00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,720
of missing part a soul link to the

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00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,240
universal Source or Consciousness the

1130
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:38,339
anima Mundi from which they have been

1131
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:41,339
cut off unquote

1132
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:43,800
towards the end of this book Max spends

1133
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:45,300
some time reflecting on how his

1134
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,220
perspective on the so-called UFO

1135
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:49,800
phenomenon has changed because of his

1136
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:52,380
experience with these experiencers in

1137
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:53,880
these regression sessions getting to

1138
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,320
know these people getting to become

1139
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,660
familiar with the overarching themes

1140
00:43:02,809 --> 00:42:59,760
that arise from these encounters

1141
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:02,819
and he says the following quote I am

1142
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,460
often asked why if UFOs and abductions

1143
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:07,740
are real the spaceships do not show up

1144
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,480
in more obvious form

1145
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:11,880
but only land on the White House lawn is

1146
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:14,160
the reigning cliche the most popular

1147
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:16,200
answer to this question among those who

1148
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:18,540
take the phenomenon seriously is that

1149
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,520
the aliens do not dare to manifest

1150
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:22,560
themselves more directly government

1151
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:24,599
leaders would Panic might attack them

1152
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:26,579
and surely would not know how to avoid

1153
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:28,500
scaring the rest of us

1154
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,300
I believe that there is a better answer

1155
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:32,400
to this question one that is more

1156
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:33,420
consistent with the information

1157
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,339
contained in this book

1158
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,140
the intelligence that appears to be at

1159
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:39,359
work here simply does not operate that

1160
00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:42,240
way it is subtler and its method is to

1161
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,300
invite to remind to permeate our culture

1162
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:47,520
from the bottom up as well as the top

1163
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:50,280
down and to open our Consciousness in a

1164
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,500
way that avoids a conclusion that is

1165
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,000
different from the ways we traditionally

1166
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:56,400
require it is an intelligence that

1167
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:58,680
provides enough evidence that something

1168
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:01,380
profoundly important is at work but it

1169
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:03,060
does not offer the kinds of proof that

1170
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,720
would satisfy an exclusively empirical

1171
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:08,040
rationalistic way of thinking

1172
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,200
it is for us to embrace the reality of

1173
00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:11,940
the phenomenon and to take a step

1174
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,859
forward appreciating that we live in a

1175
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:15,960
universe different from the one in which

1176
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,500
we have been taught to believe unquote

1177
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:21,660
and at the very close of the book Mack

1178
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:24,839
again reflects on how them being here at

1179
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:27,060
this point in history had to do with the

1180
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,099
fact that we are on a course a collision

1181
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:31,020
course if you will and that their

1182
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:34,260
communication with us to us was partly

1183
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,079
intended to perhaps change this course

1184
00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:40,020
but again it being up to us ultimately

1185
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:42,599
what we will do with this information

1186
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:45,480
quoting from the book quote the alien

1187
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:47,460
beings have come to the abductees from a

1188
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:50,040
source that remains unknown to us we

1189
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:51,960
still do not fully grasp their purposes

1190
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,599
or their methods it seems clear however

1191
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,819
that they have had to come to us

1192
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:59,280
appearing in material form so that we

1193
00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:01,560
might know them some have speculated

1194
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:03,660
that the alien beings have mastered time

1195
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,900
travel and come to us from the future

1196
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:08,220
sometimes they even communicate that

1197
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,400
this might be so we do not know but the

1198
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,380
guiding or regenerative myth of the

1199
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:15,599
abduction phenomenon offers a new story

1200
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:17,700
for a world that has survived many

1201
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,940
holocausts and may yet be deterred from

1202
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:23,280
a final cataclysm the abduction

1203
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:26,099
phenomenon it seems clear is about what

1204
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,500
is Yet to Come it presents quite

1205
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:30,900
literally visions of alternative Futures

1206
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,359
but it leaves the choice to us unquote

1207
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:38,880
and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition of the point of

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convergence podcast

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but until next time friends from deep

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within the Blue Ridge Mountains of North

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Carolina this is exo-academian signing

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out

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